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Margaret H. Willison's avatar

Thank you guys so much for watching this with me! Sophie is super under the weather and very sad to have missed out but man, this show.

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Please send good vibes to Sophie on my behalf.

Lizzie Sandercock's avatar

Same same same. We missed her!!

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

Like, I want to share more thoughts here, but I honestly have a hard time articulating how deeply the story of her borderline sexual assault impacts me.

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And the follow up story from Mike-- the way they both talk about how impossible it is to know what parts of who you've become are your own choice, and which parts are formed in response to the perpetual threat of violence so many of us live under.

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When Dirty Dancing came into things, I am pretty sure that Sophie and I clutched each others hands in joy.

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JERRY ORBACH IS A GOOD MAN

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

I really wish we could see both debaters, like CLUE

Lizzie Sandercock's avatar

This bit in the credits is not enough, but it is a small joy.

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

yup-- just as good the second time

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The Two Mothers observation is EXTREMELY REAL

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My brother, skeptically, in the midst of Heidi describing her grandmother's work as a log runner-- "She doesn't seem big enough to have these ancestors."

Elusive&Enigmatic's avatar

Grandma Betty's physical dimensions were pretty specifically described. Your brother should consider the possibility they all procreated with very petite men.

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

I have moved the bag of peanut butter M&Ms to the table within arms reach of me. I have a feeling I will come to regret this choice.

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I'm eating a party tray of 30 shrimp for dinner to simulate the social occasion experience.

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

And the crying is just pretty much incessant from here forward for me.

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The pause in her speech about clause four: first cry of the show so far!

Laurel's avatar

"Daughter of a father" is one of the best things ever written.

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

I encouraged my older brother-- former US history teacher-- to watch with us and his running fact-check commentary is..... not necessarily adding what he hopes to my experience!

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

Did anyone else get to see this on stage?

Casey Erin Clark's avatar

Yup! In the last week. I was absolutely determined not to miss it.

Erica Moser's avatar

This was my first time watching this, and I'm so glad I did. I like that it's something I can come back to in the future and notice something new, and have new takeaways, each time.

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Oh, I’m so excited - I saw the other girl (who was BRILLIANT) at the performance I saw live, so now I’ll have seen both of them.

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

I wonder if we'll see a mix of the two. I'm very curious to see.

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Lindsey N Shultz's avatar

the snap on the W in white men was *great*

Laurel's avatar

This theater was right next to where Frozen was playing which is why that was super funny live and she definitely riffed on that moment a little more!

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“A nice-off” is just so real.

Erica Moser's avatar

Very relatable. Like, I feel bad if I tell a grocery store cashier, "Have a good day" and they respond, "Have a great day," because I feel I've been one-upped in politeness.

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I used to do these kinds of speech competitions in High school and every similarly situated adult I know has a complicated relationship with a particularly successful performance of theirs. So I'm excited to see this.

Example: In 2001 the national Oratory winner won for a speech she did on her prominent persian nose, how she had been mocked for it her whole life, and how she needed to come to terms with it to truly love herself. Won a $25,000 scholarship for it.

Saw her last year. She's had a nose job. She decided really loving herself was looking how she wanted to.

End of the day, these things are always time capsules of someone you used to be that you've run so many times that they are unforgettable and indelible. Like being haunted by your own ghost.

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PREACH THURSDAY

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I NEEDED THIS THE NIGHT BEFORE I VOTE!!!

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“Doc Martins, business casual pants, and a tee shirt.”

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oh god this hurts

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“I’m the daughter of a father.” I MEAN...the specificity of the burn.

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The parliamentary debate is super bizarre. The "abolish the constitution" side consistently points to the gains of incremental change as evidence that the new constitution would inevitably better.

The power of incremental changes as the basis for radical change is an odd tack. Marx and Engles knew you had to go big or go home!

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Another thought about these Hammurabi code sections regarding the legality of beating women:

There's a strong throughline in Western law of creating people who exist outside the protections of law. At some level the existence of our rights are on perceptible when we have a counter example of someone who doesn't enjoy those rights and protections. In sum: people are the worst.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sacer

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This guy (I don't know his name, but he's the only guy, so that's fine) has serious camp counselor energy and I am here for it

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It's somewhere between Moonlight Kingdom and Jo Jo Rabbit in intensity.

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I haven't seen Jo Jo Rabbit yet, but Moonrise Kingdom is one of my favorite movements, and yeah, similar energy so far

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This transition back to her as an adult is so brilliant.

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"It made him feel like I was crying right AT him" reminds me of TBD's excellent treatment on crying and how men are so ill equipped to respond to a woman crying appropriately.

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

[beams] I love it when people are reminded of our work by something I think is great!

Laurel's avatar

Oh god the Greek Tragedy crying - this is me when I heard that RGB had died.

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

[infinite row of sobbing emoji]

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This will be my first time seeing this. And yes, I've voted already. I don't want to assume, but...has everyone already voted or made a plan to vote? Just checking...

Laurel's avatar

Voting tomorrow in NYC!

Casey Erin Clark's avatar

Early voting this Thursday in NYC

Elusive&Enigmatic's avatar

Yep got my Trump vote in. Like every good citizen. Thanks for helping get the vote out Patriot!

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If you're a US citizen, that is. I don't want to assume.

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Thanks, TBD! This was my first time seeing it, and wow, that was great! And also, of course, sinking Supreme Court feelings.

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I'm legit surprised 2/3 of audiences voted to keep the constitution.

Laurel's avatar

Her sparkly Wonder Woman mug!

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This moment is so magical.

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I want to know if he had the same novelty tee shirt every show or if there were perhaps a couple on rotation.

Laurel's avatar

I'm pretty sure it was this one both times I saw it.

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I'm about 15 minutes behind so I'm hearing her discussion regarding the Violence against women act now.

There's a strong undercurrent in this performance that she does not actually care for the idea of enumerated rights and procedural justice at all. Her favorite amendment is the "and any right you can think of" one and her criticisms of the legal decisions fundamentally come down to a disappointment that the process isn't more results oriented and gets hung up on how things are written. The limitations are heartbreaking. The times that things are expanded beyond the obvious four corners are when she gets excited.

Is this a feminist libertarian play at its core?

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I'm very interested to see what you make of the direction it takes towards the end.

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Interesting that she won the flip and CHOSE to take the "keep the Constitution" side.

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Every fifteen minutes she mentions this time she spent in Siberia but then never elaborates on it. I'm really getting blue balls on this forever promised slavic-centric content.

Дай людям что они хотят!

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

I think you'll have to wait for the sequel, What the Siberian Peninsula Means to Me

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We're up to four references to Siberia!

She should at least sate my curiosity and get a little more specific. Is she hanging out at the ice lakes of Omsk or did she hang out in urban Novosibirsk! It makes a difference

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One of my favorite books in high school was about Asa Mercer’s bride delivery service.

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It was called “The Stars for a Light” - Christian fiction ‘cause that’s how I rolled back then, but about an “ahead of her time” lady doctor who gets her first job on that boat.

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That shot from behind 😍

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His character work is so good.

Margaret H. Willison's avatar

and her use of upspeak is EXPERT

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Truly, it’s all in the voice and body and energy, and you 100% buy that she’s a teenager. It’s GORGEOUS.

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Would love to be at the casting call for that.